The dilemma[ edit ] Socrates and Euthyphro discuss the nature of piety in Plato's Euthyphro. Euthyphro then revises his definition, so that piety is only that which is loved by all of the gods unanimously 9e. At this point the dilemma surfaces. Socrates asks whether the gods love the pious because it is the pious, or whether the pious is pious only because it is loved by the gods 10a.
Socrates has been called to court on charges of impiety by Meletus, and Euthyphro has come to prosecute his own father for having unintentionally killed a murderous hired hand. Socrates flatters Euthyphro, suggesting that Euthyphro must be a great expert in religious matters if he is willing to prosecute his own father on so questionable a charge.
Euthyphro concurs that he does indeed know all there is to be known about what is holy. First, Euthyphro suggests that holiness is persecuting religious offenders.
Socrates finds this definition unsatisfying, since there are many holy deeds aside from that of persecuting offenders. He asks Euthyphro instead to give him a general definition that identifies that one feature that all holy deeds share in common.
Euthyphro suggests that what is holy is what is agreeable to the gods, in response to which Socrates points out that the gods often quarrel, so what is agreeable to one might not be agreeable to all.
Socrates sets up a rather elaborate argument to show that the two cannot be equivalent. What is holy gets approved of by the gods because it is holy, so what is holy determines what gets approved of by the gods. And what gets approved of by the gods in turn determines what is approved of by the gods.
It follows from this reasoning that what is holy cannot be the same thing as what is approved of by the gods, since one of these two determines what gets approved of by the gods and the other is determined by what gets approved of by the gods. Euthyphro is next led to suggest that holiness is a kind of justice, specifically, that kind which is concerned with looking after the gods.
Socrates wonders what Euthyphro means by "looking after the gods. Our sacrifices do not help them in any way, but simply gratify them. But, Socrates points out, to say that holiness is gratifying the gods is similar to saying that holiness is what is approved of by the gods, which lands us back in our previous conundrum.Euthyphro And Failure Of Definition.
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Both Socrates and Euthyphro agree that god's love pious because it's pious, but yet in the earlier statement made . Mar 24, · An Analysis of Piety in Plato's "Euthyphro" Updated on April 3, Next, I will explain the difference between "the gods loving the pious because it is pious" and "the pious being pious because the gods love it".
of divinity, piety is not symmetric. We submit, gods rule (God rules).
The nature of our submission depends on the religion Reviews: 3. [Soc.] Good heavens, Euthyphro! and is your knowledge of religion and of things pious and impious so very exact, that, supposing the circumstances to be as you state them, you are not afraid lest you too may be doing an impious thing in .
SOCRATES: And is, then, all which is just pious? or, is that which is pious all just, but that which is just, only in part and not all, pious? EUTHYPHRO: I do not understand you, Socrates. SOCRATES: And yet I know that you are as . Answer: Plato's famous question concerning the nature of goodness asks whether a thing is good because God says it is good, or does God say it's good because it is good. This is known as Euthyphro's Dilemma (named after the character Euthyphro in Plato's 'socratic dialogue' on the subject of goodness). In Plato's Euthyphro, Socrates claims to want to learn from the man's expertise during the conversation. In reality, Socrates uses the conversation to repeatedly question him about what is pious.
The truth is just the opposite. Euthyphro’s idolatry of intellectual freedom leads him to intellectual servility. Euthyphro’s thoughts are controlled by popular opinion. Euthyphro, it can be seen, is the victim of fashionable opinion. The value most in vogue in his democratic society was equality.
In fact, there was a passion for equality.
Answer: Plato's famous question concerning the nature of goodness asks whether a thing is good because God says it is good, or does God say it's good because it is good.
This is known as Euthyphro's Dilemma (named after the character Euthyphro in Plato's 'socratic dialogue' on the subject of goodness). The question, "Do the gods love piety because it is pious, or is it pious because they love it" (10a) is never fully answered and, indeed, remains unanswered today.
Euthyphro's Pretension. Before he met Socrates, Plato intended on pursing a career as a playwright and in the Euthyphro a careful reader will appreciate the talent of the comic.